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Last night's lively ELT Chat
(11/07/12) was on the topic of 'how can we best teach spelling' - question mark not included. After
previous attempts to get this topic discussed and two third-places in
the previous two weeks, 'spelling' finally won through, not least due to
a minor rallying campaign.
@esolcourses kicked off by proposing games can be fun, suggesting, as an example, the BBC Skillswise site. @maizie said she used different methods - flashcards, games, spellingcity, studystacks, videos and dictations. @esolcourses added wordsearches to the list and offered her own. Games with words that sound the same but have different spelling and meaning, suggested @touqo - basically, homophones. Quizlet suggested @naomishema and @eannegrenoble. It visually shows your mistakes, coloring (sic), erasing and adding the right letters. It's so easy to make your own sets, apparently. In addition, you can use Hangman (@teacherphili), palindromes and crosswords (@touqo) or "task: change one letter in a word to make a sentence to mean something completely different, preferably funny." @Hartle thought that all games could help but not as much as systematic reading, as will now be shown.
@Hartle said she had noticed that students who learn a lot from songs are not good spellers and suggested reading, the more the better. @teflrinha, @singernick, @ljp2010 and @SophiaMav agreed. In addition, using audiobooks and films with subtitles can help. A running thread on the issue of seeing/hearing words developed. @naomishema said she was an avid reader at school, but didn't learn to spell til 4th grade. @ministryofshiny, enjoying her first #ELTchat, doubted reading being everything - "you read with your eye and spell with your ears", she said. @teflerinha challenged this and thought it more individual - some people need to see or visualise a word, as in the technique of 'look, say, cover, write'. @ministryofshiny responded that 'LSCW' had some logic to it. There is a link to a Look, Say, Cover, Write and Check chart here. Most agreed that spelling with a visual form and sound would be good for everyone, as @teflerinha said. @naomishema believed some phonics were necessary along with sight words and in her class, "the deafer [a student is] the less mistakes [are made]". @eapteacher mentioned synthetic phonics - students practice spelling nonsense words, then they think how spelling relates to pronunciation. @teflerinha thought more 'analytic phonics' and in combination with whole word approach. @esolcourses added that "phonemic awareness if good, but there are so many words that don't fit with patterns," to which @eannegrenoble agreed. @teflerinha countered that "if you learn the full 44 sounds the vast majority of words do fit."
| Wordle of the chat |
@teflerinha mentioned a book by Ruth Shemesh and Sheila Walter which uses phonics, basically teaching sounds as they relate to letters or letter combinations. @Shaunwilden knew of it but hadn't used it much, @hartle questioned whether it worked and @teflrinha replied that it sounded good but she struggled in practice. Quite laborious, but systematic. @hartle suggested that learning another alphabet on top of IPA might be complicated.
@teacherphili advertised a recently published and comprehensive book on this exact topic by Johanna Stirling, creator of the English Language Garden site, who unfortunately couldn't make the chat, but promised to speak to #ELTchat later via a podcast (see end of this post). @eannegrenoble confirms its direct relevance to ELT. There is also Joanna's unique Spelling Blog.
@theteacherjames asked whether it is more important to be able to spell or be able to use a spellchecker. Given the amount of technology used in checking what we write. Isn't it common for internet users to rely on Google suggesting 'did you mean.... ?' when we misspell something? to paraphrase @hartle. @mkofab said she obliged students to use a spellchecker and only practise structural words eg: its/it's/their/there/who's/whose etc". Laziness often means students don't check when handing in 'word' processed documents, said @singernick. @teflerinha tells her son to check his blog output because of the message, but he misspells very phonetically because he learned that way. @Shaunwilden tells himself that. @SophiaMav agreed that 'blogging motivates sts to double-check their work'. The issue of typing as a separate entity from actual spelling was also raised. We now spell 'because' as 'bcoz', 'disguise' as 'disciz' (@teflerinha) and so many other abbreviations get used. Nobody dared mention that this was due to the constraints of single text messages (or 'msgs') and Twitter's only requirement to limit your tweet to 140 characters, so I will add that in now.
@theteacherjames also mentioned the auto-correct facility on 'iDevices'. Indeed, users have become used to making mistakes without a care, knowing that it will get fixed. @hartle joked that her device misspells things she has typed correctly as, I will add, they only have a finite list of words, while @eannegrenoble has to persuade her device not to 'think in French'. @ljp2010 questioned whether all communication takes place electronically? '90% of mine,' answered James. She later added that perfect voice recognition software will make us effectively make the user redundant. @teacherphili mentioned that @JohannaStirling questions whether technology is really making use worse spellers on her blog.
@teacherphili wondered about BrEng vs AmEng variations. There is a full list here. Some institutions in some contexts require students to learn simpler, AmEng spelling as well as pronounciation. He suggested South Korea as one example, although @theteacherjames suggested nobody minded 'his' (presumably BrEng) version. @teacherphili also questions whether anyone still uses 'old-fashioned' spelling rules. Both teflerinha and @tim_crangle put forward 'magic e'. The latter also put forward the idea of getting students to spell 2 name rhythmically and rapidly.
Things like 'i before e' have been disproven - see QI clip for a funny take on this. This rule, designed to help us remember how to spell
words such as receive and chief, seems so
promising in its simplicity at first.
- achieve, believe, bier, brief, hygiene, grief, thief, friend, grieve, chief, fiend, patience, pierce, priest
- ceiling, conceive, deceive, perceive, receipt, receive, deceit, conceit
But then things get complicated: it doesn't work with
words pronounced "ay" as in neighbor,
freight, beige, sleigh, weight, vein, and weigh
and there are many exceptions to the rule: either,
neither, feint, foreign, forfeit, height, leisure, weird,
seize, and seizure.
It was suggested that there are techniques or strategies for learning how to spell difficult words. The idea of mnemonics was thrown in, and acronyms are often good
memory-aids for remembering how to spell a word. Interesting
suggestions included:
- BECAUSE - big elephants can (or 'can't) always understand small elephants (@dianatremayne)
- CUSTOMER - cusTOMer TOM's always in the middle (@singernick)
- BEAUTIFUL - Sister Ann - a nun at school - singing B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L. (@teflerinha)
- FRIEND - a friend to the END (@naomishema, useful for @teflerinha's son - always writing 'freind')
- NECESSARY -It is neCeSSary to have one COAT and two SOCKS (@teacherphili via @johannastirling)
- RHYTHM - rhythm helps your two hips move (@teacherphili via @johannastirling) - which teflerinha thought sounded very 'Cat In The Hat'.
- DIARRHOEA - Diarrhoea Is A Really Rather Humiliating Occurrence, Especially Annoying!
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| a 'Matunda' yesterday |
'Matunda' is the swahili word for 'fruit', but how can you remember that? Just visualise a pineapple sitting on a mat. There is mat 'under' the fruit. It helped @teacherphili remember, anyway and buying fruit was a daily activity in Tanzania, so the word was never forgotten. Neither was the spelling, not that I needed it when buying a 'Matunda'.
@ministryofshiny mentioned 'spelling reform', asking if it was possible. This is not a new request. @tim_crangle said he was shown GHOTI by a student over 25 years ago, to which @teflerinha and @eannegrenoble replied 'FISH' ! @naomishema also threw in a 'fish' and @Shaunwilden was none the wiser - "I had one of those for tea," he claimed. Apparently, Ghoti is often cited to support English spelling reform, and is often attributed to George Bernard Shaw, a supporter of this cause. It shows up the irregularities in English spelling - thus, Ghoti is a respelling of the word fish: i.e., it is supposed to be pronounced /ˈfɪʃ/. It comprises these phonemes:
- gh, pronounced /f/ as in tough /tʌf/;
- o, pronounced /ɪ/ as in women /ˈwɪmɪn/; and
- ti, pronounced /ʃ/ as in nation /ˈne͡ɪʃən/
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti)
A kind of spelling reform has already taken place, I might argue. Language evolves and words become spelled / spelt differently until they become accepted or, at least, tolerated. A surprising number of English words come from India - see this article today, for example, from the BBC. As for '-ed' and '-t' endings, well, "if you speak American English, probably the ed version,
if you speak British English, you probably just write what you feel
like on the day. I know I use both, says @JohannaStirling, before pointing out that this tool from GoogleLabs called Google Ngram. would compare uses of the two. Click here for more.
The 'red pen' for correction was brought up by @JoannaBorysiak. She suggested that it can draw attention and reinforce incorrect spelling. How should errors be pointed out then?
There was a brief discussion about the correlation between good spellers and those who are good at math(s) - I will leave one of the participants, @naomiepstein to explain more on her blog.
There was a brief discussion about the correlation between good spellers and those who are good at math(s) - I will leave one of the participants, @naomiepstein to explain more on her blog.
The difference between nationalities was briefly mentioned. Those with a latin origin probably find it easier to spell English than, say, Arabic learners (@teflerinha). Arabic only uses a e o, so vowels are mystery, said @ministryofshiny. SS thinking of a place in London, remembered 'Fbry' Where? Finsbury.
@teacherphili suggested that some people swear by cuisenaire rods to help with word 'shape' although he had never used them himself. @Shaunwilden and @hartle replied the they had used rods for 'affixation', but didn't say exactly how. Not familiar with this term, self-confessed lurker @leoselivan and @teacherphili thought he meant he had used rods for 'asphyxiation'! A strategy for reducing the number of students in your class, perhaps ;-)
@hartle, @eannegrenoble and @andyscott55 mentioned US-style 'Spelling Bee' contests. The trick is to 'say the word, spell the word, say the word', which helps to lock it into the memory (@andyscott55). The Times ran one in the UK. And now there is a World Spelling Day Contest!
MY FAVO(U)RITE TWEET OF THE NIGHT:
#ELTchat finished by @Marisa_C making contact with the absent @JohannaStirling who wished she could have been at the chat, so agreed to do a follow-up podcast with @theteacherjames as she had "a burning need to reply". So watch that space, although I will embed the recording here once it is online.
'good night guys, sweet elephant and other dreams! @JoannaBorysiak
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| Your summariser with that book |
...and finally, "The The Impotence of Proofreading," by TAYLOR MALI. Warning: Contains sexual sware words that sum ppl mite find offensieve (sic):
some links:
BBC Skillswise 'Spelling' games - http://tinyurl.com/c2mphzy
Johanna Stirling's blog: http://thespellingblog.blogspot.co.uk/
Spelling Mnemonics: http://tinyurl.com/cvjewf6
Key Spelling Handbook: http://t.co/BB4Hsicz
More rules and suggestions: http://tinyurl.com/y8hr56
'Spelling for dummies': http://t.co/1m4dRYgi
A background book on spelling: http://t.co/iTa0mfs4
'Spelling Well' - Free Book pdf: http://tinyurl.com/c5pbpwj
Connection between spelling & math(s): http://tinyurl.com/bp6unp9
I hope that this represents the chat that took place. The transcript is here for all to see, although some additional information, links and interpretations have been employed by the author (me!) An image-light version of this summary is on the ELTchat website here.
A background book on spelling: http://t.co/iTa0mfs4
'Spelling Well' - Free Book pdf: http://tinyurl.com/c5pbpwj
Connection between spelling & math(s): http://tinyurl.com/bp6unp9
I hope that this represents the chat that took place. The transcript is here for all to see, although some additional information, links and interpretations have been employed by the author (me!) An image-light version of this summary is on the ELTchat website here.
Please look for the comments below which includes a response from Johanna.
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WOW! And again, WOW! And you said this was your first #eltchat summary! A great and comprehensive summary of a great chat!
ReplyDeleteNaomi (naomishema)
Thanks, Naomi. It's not perfect... I always aim for better. Important to get all the links in and respect people's contributions, I think.
ReplyDeleteGreat summary Phil! I'm sorry I missed the chat as I've been waiting for this one to get voted in. I'll explore the links, resources and ideas in depth when I get home (I'm currently in Malaysia on my winter break!). I'll order that book you recommended - looks good.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to add one more resource that my adult intermediate learners have found very useful:
Spelling Well: How to improve your spelling by Bronwen Hickman
The author has been teaching spelling (and grammar & pronunciation) to adult learners in Australia for over 20 years. Note: Australian English follows British spelling conventions. I bought a copy several years ago, but the publisher seems to no longer exist. However, while searching for a link to post here, I was surprised to find a PDF of the book on the book designer's website - I can only guess that it is now out of print and available for us to download for free - lucky us! http://greymatter.net.au/greymatter/pdf/book/spellwell_book.pdf
Cheers,
Lesley @cioccas
Thanks Lesley. I will add your link to the others above. If I can get any more I will do the same. I see this post as one that I can add to from time to time, if and when I get more comments. The #ELTchat summary page version is image-free and won't be updated in the same way, plus I don't have editorial control over it.
ReplyDeleteon a separate note, I left out 'NORWICH - (K)nickers off ready when I come home', which I mentioned on the night, but would have fitted nicely with the favourited tweet from @teflerinha. It also happens to be where Johanna Stirling works a lot - at NILE.
Hi
ReplyDeleteThanks for the summary. I would be interested to know about any articles or thoughts about correcting spelling.
Abbie (ministryofshiny)
Hey, Phil, you did an amazing job with this! I was gutted that I couldn't be there but thanks for all the mentions.
ReplyDeleteThere are lots of points made that I'd like to reply to, so apologies if this is long.
Games:
Yes, there are lots of great spelling games for use in cass on the web. A couple of provisos though: class games may not provide the intended fun element for weak spellers if they always lose! And I try to avoid anagram-type games with weak spellers - to some, *every* word looks pretty messed up and they have enough problems sorting those out! I feel anagrams are better if the letters are spread out more rather than in a line 'pretending' to be a word.
Reading:
Some thought reading was the answer to improving spelling. I'm sure if you don't read you're at a big disadvantage because you're less likely to recognise whether words look right or not. However, it seems that the correlation between how much we read and how well we spell isn't as direct as we may think. As reading is receptive, sometimes people need to explicitly notice and activate a spelling (more than once) before it becomes 'known'. So yes, reading is necessary, but for many, not sufficient.
Seeing/hearing spelling:
The big debate! It's certainly both. We can't deny that English spelling is based on sound because it's alphabetic, but the langauge and pronunciation have evolved so much that about 50% of words are not phonetically spelt nowadays. Most spelling errors I see (not typos) are spelt phonetically - so I think it is the visual sense that we need to help learners with. Of course, we all need to learn basic phonics, but this should go hand in hand with teaching about etymology (the origin of words), morphology (building words using prefixes and suffixes) and some common letter strings like 'ough' which are not related to sound.
Spell checkers:
I think they are great! We just need to make sure learners know how to use them properly - not just accepting the first alternative offered and then moving on. I wish there was an app that automatically put words that have been flagged up by the spell checker into a spelling program so learners could then learn from them. We also need to ensure that learners know the limitations of spell checkers (homophones and other real words). Autocorrect is another thing - it can be useful but it is so invisible that we can't learn from it.
Correction:
I correct what I think students can learn from. I usually copy the correct letters in the learner's attempt and leave blanks for the others. This stops them from misspelling the bits they previously got right!
Spelling and Maths:
I've never thought about this but interesting idea. I'll check out @naomiepstein's blog.
OK, I think that's enough for now.
Thanks again for your hard work on this Phil.
Johanna
Author of 'Teaching Spelling to English Language Learners'
The Spelling Blog thespellingblog.blogspot.com
Hi Abbie
ReplyDeleteI've written about this at http://thespellingblog.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/how-to-correct-spelling-12-ways.html
Johanna
A thorough response, Jo. It's interesting to hear such positive responses to my summary, considering I am still dwelling on the things I left out, but I suppose the job is try and summarise what happened without detailing every single thing. I wanted to add my own 'take' on it, too, to give it a sense of ownership. Summarising an #ELTchat is rather like doing qualitative research and that you have to 'code' what different people have said about similar topics, grouping the themes together, if you will. For that, I admit I printed off the transcript and colour-coded many of the responses. I look forward to your ELTchat podcast, Jo, with James Taylor, which I will, of course, be able to embed on here.
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